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arnulfo says:
Agosto 6, 2017 at 7:29 pm

Urge establecer el Registro Civil Fetal. En la semana 13 del embarazo, el médico que atiende un embarazo debería enviar por Internet el ultrasonido del paciente feto, a las oficinas de Registro Civil. La PERSONA FETO tendría su existencia registrada.


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Teresa dice:
6 Agosto, 2017 a las 9:02 pm


Recuerdo que en Estados Unidos un grupo de padres se estaba movilizando por el reconocimiento civil de los no nacidos o de los bebes que morian en el parto. Y llevaban avanzado un buen trecho para lograr ese derecho.
Muy buena tu aportacion.. has dado en el.clavo!
Teresa dice:
6 Agosto, 2017 a las 9:06 pm

Armulfo si lo lograron se llaman a estos bebes still birth y va creo que hastaembriones para fertilizacion asistida.
Podemos intentar llevarla a los paises latinos!!!!
Esta es de Escocia

stillbirth should be registered at a register office within 42 days.

Sometimes a stillbirth can be registered after 42 days – the register office can explain when this can happen. You can name the baby in the register.

You can search for a register office.

In Scotland you must register a stillbirth within 21 days. In Northern Ireland you have up to 1 year to register a stillbirth.

Who can register the stillbirth

If the baby’s parents are married, either the mother or father can register.

The mother can sign if:

the baby’s parents aren’t marriedthe father can’t be traced or is unknown

If both parents want the father’s name in the register:

both parents can sign the register togetherthe mother can sign and bring a ‘signed declaration’ from the father (the register office can explain how to do this).

If the father registers the stillbirth and the parents aren’t married, the mother will need to make a ‘signed declaration’ (the register office can explain how to do this).

If the child was conceived as a result of fertility treatment

Either of the following can register the stillbirth:

the motherthe father, if he was married to the mother at the time of treatmentthe second female parent if she was in a civil partnership with the mother at the time of treatmentIf neither parent can attend

The following people can register the stillbirth:

the occupier of the hospital or house where the stillbirth took placesomeone who was present at the stillbirthsomeone who is responsible for the stillborn childthe person who found the stillborn child, if the date and place of the stillbirth are unknown
Teresa dice:
6 Agosto, 2017 a las 9:11 pm



List of states issuing birth certificates for stillborn babies growing However, the effort has met with opposition from groups that support legalized abortion Maryann Gogniat Eidemiller OSV Newsweekly9/7/2011


On March 30, 2006, Heidi Kauffman of Port Royal, Pa., didn’t feel her baby moving, and the next day, he was delivered stillborn. Heartbroken, she and her husband held him and loved him, and they named him Kail Howard.

She later learned that there would be no birth certificate, only a death certificate, an unbearable revelation that compounded the grief of losing a child.

“I felt him move and I saw his heartbeat, and they were telling me that he didn’t exist,” she said. “I couldn’t grasp that.”

Kauffman refused to let the matter rest and sought ways to change the law.

Long-fought effort

States With Birth Certificates*AlabamaAlaskaArkansasArizonaCaliforniaFloridaGeorgiaIndianaLouisianaMaineMassachusettsMarylandMinnesotaMississippiMissouriMontanaNebraskaN. HampshireNew JerseyNorth CarolinaNorth DakotaOklahomaPennsylvaniaRhode IslandSo. CarolinaSo. DakotaTennesseeTexasUtahVirginiaWisconsin
*New York legislators passed legislation to provide birth certificates for stillborn babies, but it has yet to be signed into law.
Source: MISS Foundation

Victory came five years later, when on July 7 Gov. Tom Corbett officially signed state Senate Bill 326 into law, giving recognition to babies who lived and were stillborn. The act made Pennsylvania the 31st state to issue “certificates of birth resulting in stillbirth,” and on Aug. 8, Kauffman became the first mother to receive one.

Her journey began on July 16, 2006, when she told her story to state Sen. Jake Corman. She asked if a bill could be introduced for that type of birth certificate but he said that similar legislation had failed to pass.

“He told me that he would do everything he could to get it accomplished, and he never wavered,” she said. “He introduced it three or four times, and it would go so far and fail. Then he would introduce it again.”

Meanwhile, on Jan. 4, 2007, Dorothy Knappenberger of Allentown was present when her granddaughter Mandy Mancini’s daughter was stillborn.

“I was stunned when the funeral director told me that there would not be a birth certificate for Seneca, but only a death certificate,” she said.

She searched the Internet for support, found the MISS Foundation in Phoenix, Ariz., and soon became the state contact for advocating state legislation for the certificates.

Founding the MISS Foundation

Joanne Cacciatore loves her daughter Cheyenne just as much as she loves her other four children, she said, yet she has no home movies, no kindergarten scrawlings and no smiling school pictures of her.

But she does have her birth certificate and a message on her back, tattooed with Cheyenne’s ashes.

“I was devastated by her death in every way — socially, emotionally, physically and spiritually,” said Cacciatore, who teaches death studies at Arizona State University. “I felt very alone and isolated and actively thought of ending my own life.”

Cheyenne died 15 minutes before she was born on July 27, 1994, yet Arizona, like all states then, issued only death certificates for stillborn babies.

“How can you die if you never existed?” Cacciatore said. “It was an injustice.”

In 1996, she channeled her grief into founding the MISS Foundation that supports families who lose children of any age, for any reason. The foundation also advocates MISSing Angels legislation with the goal of all 50 states adopting a version of a certificate for birth resulting in stillbirth.

On June 11, 2001, Arizona became the first state to sign such a bill into law and Cheyenne was the first stillborn baby in the United States to be issued that special birth certificate.

“It was a very emotional, beautiful and powerful moment for me,” Cacciatore said. “I did this for the parents who will follow me.”

Thirty more states adopted similar legislation and many women from across the country have contacted her about their losses from even 30, 50 or more years ago. One 86-year-old woman wrote that she could now die in peace knowing that her baby’s life mattered.

“There are some people who just don’t seem to get why the death of a baby is such a big deal,” Cacciatore said. “It is a big deal. To lose a child at any age is surely one of life’s greatest tragedies.”

Cacciatore was an atheist when her baby died and has since become a Christian. The tattoo on her back is a quote from St. John of the Cross’ “Dark Night of the Soul”: “The soul still sings in the darkness telling of the beauty she found there; and daring us not to think that because she passed through such tortures of anguish, doubt, dread, and horror, as has been said, she ran any the more danger of being lost in the night. Nay, in the darkness did she, rather, find herself.”

“I don’t know how I would have survived if I hadn’t turned my life to devotion to other survivors,” she said. “I truly believe that the only way you can transcend that kind of suffering is to turn your heart outwards.”

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Teresa dice:
6 Agosto, 2017 a las 9:14 pm


LO MEJOR DE TODO SON CERTIFICADOS DE NACIMIENTO porque vivieron y existieron estos niños.

Grupos abortistas se opusieron..

Teresa dice:
6 Agosto, 2017 a las 9:20 pm


Recuerdo que los padres de Missfoundation presentaron la iniciativa son hacer ruido porque temian la oposicion de los grupos abortistas.

Asi que esta iniciativa si la delegais Obispos a laicos y abogados podeis hacerlo contactando a Missfoundation.. y siempre llevarla a cabo antes de que se aceleren las medidas y leyes reglamentarias para esa injusta ley del aborto.

Con doplomacia..y talves por padres mediante perdidas de hijos para legitimar esa propuesta!!
Lumana dice:
7 Agosto, 2017 a las 11:25 am

Lamentablemente, la fuerza de la Izquierda más tradicional y ultra de Chile, ha conseguido arrinconar y casi anular a la Iglesia Chilena, y tampoco es gratuito. Los escándalos sexuales del Clero Regular y Secular, han sido muy grandes. Los feligreses han huido en masa de los templos Católicos.
Años atrás y no muchos, en el Seminario Mayor Pontificio abundaban vocaciones, debió ampliarse cada año para dar cabida a los nuevos Seminaristas.. …el 2016, 1 vocación, este año 5 y seguimos en picada.
Ya los Colegios Católicos están en manos de Laicos en un 95%. No hay prácticamente vocaciones.
En la discusión del proyecto de la aberración abortista, la barra estaba llena de Testigos de Jehová, Evangélicos y Protestantes. NI UN SOLO CURA, y menos algún Católico.
El Cardenal Ezzati, cuestionado y sin voz ni opinión, se limitó a una tibia declaración, para no hacer ruido ni figurar en los medios. Le tienen terror a la Prensa, que los crucificó y no sin razón.
Es una historia muy triste la de Chile, un País escencialmente Católico, del cual van quedando solamente vestigios de ello.


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